Negotiations to bring a minor league baseball team to the borough are expected to begin in December and Barry Cassidy, spokesman for the Phoenixville Baseball Committee, says the first pitch in a new ballpark could be thrown as soon as 2016.
“I’d say there’s an 85 percent chance we get a baseball team. That’s my gut feeling,” Cassidy told Patch.
The committee—a body comprised of residents and business owners that was assembled by developer Manny DeMutis in February 2011—received a $12,500 grant in May from the Phoenixville Community Health Association to fund a study assessing the feasibility of bringing a ballpark to the former steel mill site.
The study, which will be performed by the Chester County Economic Development Council, will evaluate the comparable minor league baseball stadiums; study Phoenixville’s demographics; prepare pertinent paperwork; analyze construction cost estimates and timelines; determine debt service capabilities; locate potential sources of public funding and grants; and develop a capital stack scenario to finance the project.
The review should be completed by December, at which point the committee expects to begin talking with teams. According to Cassidy, they could target an independent team or a rookie league MLB affiliate. He emphasized that the group is keeping all its options open.
“If anybody owns a baseball team in the US and they want to move it to Phoenixville, we want to talk to them,” he said.
The stadium would be situated on ten acres of the 120 acre former site of the Phoenixville Iron and Steel Company. It would seat 3,500 to 4,000 and, according to Cassidy, come with a price tag in the neighborhood of “$20 to $25 million.”
What’s in it for the borough
The Reading Phillies, a AA affiliate of the five-time defending NL East champs, draw about 450,000 fans a year to their 9,000 seat stadium, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer. While Phoenixville’s ballpark would be less than half the size of Reading’s, Cassidy says it would nevertheless be a boon to the borough.
“It would bring more people to town,” Cassidy said. “The spinoff effect of people eating dinner there, stopping for snacks and gas, buying aspirin and coffee. It could be huge.”
The committee also views the venue as a potential hotspot for non-baseball entertainment. Committee member Richard Kardon—the owner of Point Entertainment, which does promotional work for The Colonial Theatre—will advise on the potential of this revenue source.
The Lehigh Valley Iron Pigs, the Phillies’ AAA affiliate, hosted as its first major non-sporting event a July 14, 2009 concert headlined by Bob Dylan, Willie Nelson and John Mellencamp. Its 8,100 seat Coca-Cola Park sold out.
So, who's going to pay for it?
While Cassidy declined to offer any financial details—save for an estimate that the park would cost around $20 to $25 million—Lehigh County’s handling of its Coca-Cola Park could offer hints of a financing scheme.
The park, which broke ground in September 2006, opened in March 2008, and cost $50.25 million to build, was entirely publicly funded: 1/3 of the tab was picked up by the Commonwealth and the rest by Lehigh County. The county footed the bill through the issuance of bonds and a hotel tax.
On the revenue side, the Iron Pigs 30-year lease agreement brings the county $1.29 million a year, which covers the debt payments on its bonds. Additionally, Lehigh County came to terms on a ten-year naming rights contract with the local Coca-Cola bottling company a year before the park opened, the dollar amount of which is not available.
When pressed again for financial details, Cassidy offered cryptic optimism.
“We presented how we want to do it to the people who would be responsible for making it happen. And we’ve received a small and a tacit, ‘It’s good.’”
“We’re comfortable that we could finance it.”
The Phoenixville Baseball Committee is comprised of Joe Altomonte, Dave Chawaga, Connor Cummins, Manny DeMutis, Adam Deveney, Dave Gautreau, Fred Hubler, Kevin Johnson, Richard Kardon, Ron Knabb, Jim Kovaleski, Dick Kunsch, Julian McCracken, Dave Moskowitz, Marian Moskowitz, Kevin Negandhi, Jim Northcott, Crysta Peers, Jim Redding, and Steve Welch.
Laura S
3:29 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Is this a case of "build it and they will come" or what? My concern is where will all these fans park? People don't just stop downtown; they hunt for parking first. On the flip side, perhaps all these people stopping to buy aspirin will provide a much-need influx of revenue to variety-type stores, revenue with which they could improve their facades. Base-a-ball would be very good to them.
ed r.
3:31 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I'm starting up a coffee & aspirin store immediately! Right here in Phoenixville. Sounds like the next big thing...
Holly
3:42 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I think the Baseball Stadium could be great, but as a resident, its not my priority for 2016. I want Bridge St to become a healthy local business hub and Church St to grow as well. Let's make sure our community is healthy and ready for the influx of parking and debt for a baseball stadium, so than when people come they have reasons to stay.
Barry Cassidy
7:29 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
the baseball committee formed to get a baseball team...i doubt if they will address your issues with the downtown. i would seek input from borough council. they are currently handling the revitalization. i think they meet once a month and have some named like "the five families". i would ask to be appointed to that committee and seek to implement the changes you deem appropriate.
ed r.
3:55 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I'm going to pull a Mitt Romney and say I've changed my position on this issue since yesterday. I think we should pursue a ballpark. However, I don't believe we should have it in the middle of town. The problems from that alone are too numerous to even try to discuss here.
Find a suitable site, away from downtown, and use wayfinding and marketing to move people to downtown businesses before and after the games. That would be the most pain-free way to implement something like this.
Chris
4:23 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Logistics would need to be addressed for sure...but anywhere away from town significantly impacts the downwind economic impact (i.e. people would go to the game and go home and not walk around pre/post game to spend money in town). But they've got to find a way to get people in and out of town efficiently. Can you imagine the Produce Junction light worse than it alreay is lol!
ed r.
9:58 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I don't know if I agree with that fully Chris. But I suppose both sides can be argued effectively.
In my unscientific opinion, it seems way easier to manage traffic logistics on the edges of town vs right smack in the middle of it.
And like I said with wayfinding, and marketing during games ( i.e. electronic billboards in between innings with big "after the game, enjoy a beer at bla bla bla", "take your ticket stub for $5 off any entree at fancy pub co." , etc ) you can steer those who want to hang out here towards town, and those who just want to pack up their kids and head home without much traffic snarls can easily do so.
P-ville-resident
9:56 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
the reason why they are thinking about putting it down town is that there is open space and they are thinking of ways to use it. They can't move the land away from down town
Jaxxon
3:56 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Personally, I would love to have a baseball team nearby. As for the good of Phoenixville itself, I'm not yet convinced the kind or pace of growth that would accompany a baseball field and minor league team would be good for a borough of only 14,000.
Chris
4:21 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
It's EXACTLY what the town needs. Without something like this or retail, you cannot sustain the bars/restaurants. This will draw people for an event who will then stay in town longer (before/after games) and spend more money. It would be a huge boost for the town and I applaud the foresight to head in this direction.
I do agree there are always other priorities....but getting this up and running could have enormous positive economic impact to assist with these other things.
K.B. Matticus
4:40 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
A ballpark in Phoenixville would be a disaster. We already having parking and traffic problems, even on a normal day. On First Fridays and when traffic is diverted through town, it's even worse. Add dozens of baseball events and the other events that would be needed to justify the presence of a stadium, and parking/traffic is even worse.
There's not a single study, post-construction, that supports the argument that a ballpark pays for itself. We can't even pay for our schools, our new and unnecessary Borough Hall building, or upgrading of our water system, and now these "civic leaders" want to saddle us with more debt?
I suspect that not a single one of these individuals pushing the stadium lives in the part of Phoenixville that will be affected by the congesting, parking nightmares, trash, and crime that this proposed ballpark will bring.
Those of you who know I'm right had better speak up, before this lovely community is permanently destroyed.
Chris
5:38 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
KB...you (and others) are commenting on a ballpark in town with the assumption (incorrect in my opinion) that the traffic paterns and infrastructure would remain the same. The township would never allow them to place it there without traffic considerations. In addition, they will need to build parking which will most likely be multi-purpose (that is people will be able to utilize it when they go into town even if they are not going to the game)
I respect your opinion and would agree with you 100% if there was no infrastructure work done. IMO, it will need to be and is part of the plan. In the end, you'll wind up with BETTER parking and traffic paterns as a result. In addition, for minor league ball at the level I would expect it to be, you're looking at 4 months out of the year and maybe 40-50 days total. That infrastructure remains the other 300+ days of the year.
K.B. Matticus
6:20 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
To say that "the township would never allow them to place it there without traffic considerations" flies in the face of past experience. To wit, the township was at one time prepared to allow the closing of 2nd Avenue in order to expand the library across the street and into Reeves Park.
The proponents of this ballpark are selling it as a multi-use facility - baseball for only 40-50 days per year, then concerts and other events throughout the year. Prepared for the noise? Prepared for the traffic, and trash, and parking, and congestion, and crime? I think not.
It is naive to believe that the borough is clever and foresighted enough to prepare an adequate plan that won't completely destroy the character of this township. It is equally naive to believe that such a ballpark would be anything but a huge white elephant, and an expensive one at that, for the citizens of the borough.
West Chester passed on the idea of a ballpark for good reason. Why must we be the stupid ones?
Chris
7:14 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Sorry, but I'd say what's naive is to:
a. Bring up one example of the township not following through on something. Truth be told I could find dozens, and many other examples of where they have. This would be a lot more important to the revitalization of of the town than a library expansion and would also not get the appropriate state funding without considerations for the infrastructure.
b. Pass judgement when you don't know the full details. I'm not saying it's a great idea....I'm saying to rush to judgement assuming they haven't thought about these issues is simply close minded. Why not wait to pass final judgement on how awful it is until after you see some more details?
c. OK fine....100 days a year. Whatever the case, to think it would be occupied with thousands and thousands of people any more than 1/3 of the year is absurd. Citizens bank park has 100+ days of idle time.
d. Compare a completely separate plan for a completely separate municipality with completely different issues with Phoenixville.
It's clear you've made up your mind and that's fine....you're entitled to your opinion. But to say "it's naive to believe a ballpark would be anything but a white elephant" only shows you have no possibility of ever being open to anything but your predetermined opinion regardless of the plans/facts laid out over the next year.
Barry Cassidy
7:24 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
"To wit, the township was at one time prepared to allow the closing"....very eloquent..."to wit"...eh...
" is naive to believe that the borough is clever and foresighted enough to prepare an adequate plan that won't completely destroy the character of this township."
what township is it that the borough is gonna ruin?
"Why must we be the stupid ones?"
and the reason you must be the stupid one is because of what you wrote...not where you live.
Barry Cassidy
7:45 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
talked to connor and he said the "citizens against the ballpark" can meet in my room at molly's...the committee will meet every monday at 7 PM to discuss what can be done to thwart the effort we are proposing.
Jon
8:25 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
i thought every monday at 7pm was the angry anonymous people against change of any kind meeting?
Chris
7:52 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
@Barry....thwart....that's a good one. In all seriousness....I wish people would just be open to the concept, wait for the details and the process to work itself out, and then develop an opinion based on the facts. Many people are talking about the town as if they've been here for quite some time. If that's the case I'd direct everyone to think of downtown circa 1985...The revitalization efforts have been amazing. Imagine if people wrote off the idea of even bothering to attempt to revitailze the downtown. I'm sure many did at the time. But look where we are now because people had enough foresight to develop the area. One can only hope that continues!
PVilleRes
9:03 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I say absolutely. this would be such a fantastic addition to town. Imagine this... say the ball park goes on the steel site on the west end. You go under the gay street bridge to get there, and if you're sitting behind the plate, you've got the bridge and the foundry building in the background of the outfield. Gorgeous. However I would really like to see the parcel O development come to fruition as well. What's the inside word on that development? because it really was a great plan, however the Demutis group seems incapable of getting anything built. I also love the parcel Q development we'll hopefully be seeing begin next spring. The only thing I would have changed is that I would have had the road continue over french creek and connect back to bridge street creating an intersection at starr street. That could have helped easy some congestion. Anyway... Then Phoenixville will finally be connected with itself, with the finalization of the french creek parkway.
Barry Cassidy
9:39 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
not sure is up with O. i will check with manny...we had a buyer and spent time money and effort to get it done and then they pulled out. they have been getting bids from people and...and i am not sure. the project is ready to go with minimal infrastructure.
don't think they are putting in a road to Q. the road is going to come out on main by the foundry one way in and one way out. but it will be progress for the borough to get that project done.
re baseball...we have been working on this for 2 years as a committee and i have been working on this for 5 years as a project manager. we did not get here overnight. we are not out of the woods. i will be interested to see who shows up mondays. i am gong to see if i can get some posters up around town to make sure as many people know that there will be meeting against the proposed stadium as soon as my schedule allows. i believe it is only by organizing the unorganized can we collapse unharnessed discontent and properly direct energies in a focused manner to stop the stadium.
ed r.
9:47 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Barry, you'd probably be a little more effective in your leadership if you didn't have such a gross distaste for those who dare dissent with your opinions and initiatives. Maybe instead some of your opponents could actually become useful allies if you weren't so hell bent on creating such a divide with your ill placed sarcasm and insults.
An effective leader embraces opinions both supportive, and contrary. And a good leader is not condescending and divisive towards his opponents. Like they say, keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
Just a thought...
K.B. Matticus
9:49 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Barry: So, you've got no financing plan, just a dream the consequences of which you won't suffer, and so you attack opposition on the basis eloquence of expression? or by suggesting that opposition to your pet project is coming only from those who are against everything? How about some facts and figures, Barry? By the way, "township" was Chris's designation, not mine.
Chris: West Chester may be a completely separate entity, but they share one thing with Phoenixville - a ballpark won't live up to the promises of economic return there, and it won't live up to the promises of economic return here. Love to look at the facts, but Barry and the other promoters seem unable to provide many.
If it's such a great idea, let the private sector fund it, and let the residents of the immediate area in which the ballpark is to be built have veto power. Barry, Chris, and the others who are so gung-ho, I suspect you'll fit into neither one of those groups.
ed r.
9:54 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Now now, don't be hasty! A baseball team is a major economic engine. Reading has a minor league team, and look how booming that town is!
James Smith
11:37 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
While a ballpark would be nice, I would have loved to see the only east coast indoor velodrome built in Phoenixville.
ed r.
11:39 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
As a fellow rider, I agree..
garrett vail
6:48 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
Friends in Greensboro,N.C. watched a minor league stadium revitalize a dying town.This is surely one of many models we can draw from. Noise ,lights, traffic are potential problems with any development on this site so we,as residents, should all get involved in the process to deter the negatives.
Barry Cassidy
6:57 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
awww. i hurt all of the yo-yos on this site's feelings. i don't get paid here anymore so no filter...yet out of my face with your mickey mouse objections that amount to nothing other than,,,"don't work on your project...work on something else", "never going to work' it" "i don't know anything but i know you don't have the money".
glad you strokers are upset that i responded...gives me a sense of purpose.
perhaps it will spur one of you to to get off your fat asses and do something for the town instead of making inane comments behind a nom de plume. by the way don't forget the meetings on monday 7 PM at my room in mollys. meeting is being held under the perpetual light that shines on my photo.( may perpetual light shine upon me)....
ed r.
7:13 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
Barry, you are a shining example of class and professionalism.
LocalGirl
4:22 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
I would like to note that I find the term "strokers" very offensive, and referring to people's fat behinds is wildly inappropriate. I have asked for these offensive comments to be flagged.
Barry Cassidy
7:02 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
damn i wanted to use "to wit" like that stroker above...see when you get old you forget things....but it seems like i forgot more than these people will ever know...it is a very sad scenario that some renter in phoenixville came to the phoenixville under the guise of being in a place and try to tear it down all the time.
Chris
7:50 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
So are you an ACTUAL spokesman for this group? If so, I'd have to agree with Ed. I don't agree with K.B. but I repsect his/her right to an opinion. Barry, why they sarcasm, epsecially if you're actually a sanctioned member of this group. "You can catch more flies with sugar..."
JK
8:01 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
Why not look at the numbers? It's great that there are those out there looking at creative options. Let's not pull an Obama an invest is a loser like Solyndra though. Ed R. - that one was for you.
Laura
9:13 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
Barry - I'd like to request part of the feasibility study include affects on the surrounding residences. Generally the rest of town writes us off, but it seems like big chunks of the North Side would experience serious sound pollution. Never mind a drop in the already lowest-in-town resale values.
As someone alluded to above, a baseball field does nothing to buoy a local economy. Reading is the poorest city in the US. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/27/us/reading-pa-tops-list-poverty-list-census-shows.html?pagewanted=all
Barry Cassidy
3:33 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
this is not a feasibility study...it is a pro forma that deals with the economics. run the finance numbers against the income and the like to make sure that it is financially viable before we go to feasibility.
there are some that are successful and some that are not. i believe if you go out to lancaster you will see a great model for a community facility. each community is different...dont think that baseball made it poor. they were poor to begin with.
DC
9:37 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
Please save the money on the stadium and 1.) put more sidewalks in some of the dangerous roads 2.) get a train to connect to a regional rail 3.) Most importantly, follow though with fixing Veterans Memorial Park!!
David Curran
10:50 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
I think the idea of a ball field going in at the steel site is very intriqiuing, especially if the site could perhaps lessen some of the parking woes in the boro.
What I think would be a neat idea would be looking into whether or not there is sufficent interest in a semi-pro Women's Fast pitch softball leaque. This league could be comprised of teams from some of the old industrial towns (Phoenixville,Norristown/Bridgeport, Conshy, Coatesville,etc). Kind of like from the movie A League of Their Own. I have watched some of the girl college players and it realy is entertaining, and I think there is probably a market for something different, after all Reading's field is only 45 minutes away if you want watch hardball.
Chris DeVol
1:55 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
David,
That's a really really cool idea, and I'm sure an Idea like that could be incorporated in a Baseball Stadium in Phoenixville. You should get on the Committee? Words without ACTION are the Assassins of Idealism. I challenge you to get involved.
Chris DeVol
East Vincent Township
6102471930
chrisdevol@gmail.com
Greg Hytha
10:52 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
As a long time resident, I and many people that I know, are starving for leadership. Leadership nationally and locally. Vision and creative progress are difficult to find. And certainly a harder challenge to implement!
I hope the great successes of Phoenixville are not simply a celebration of our past history. A Ballpark, in my opinion, should be one of hundreds of ideas on the table that are discussed in an efficacious way. Our potential to do truly amazing things and to be an example to other towns is very unique. The incubation of ideas that turn into something good usually have a more positive initial forum.... Perhaps we have great leaders among us, where are all the great followers?
Chris DeVol
1:57 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Greg,
I ENCOURAGE you to run for Phoenixville Borough Council, and become a VOICE for the future of Phoenixville. Will you??
Words without ACTION are the ASSASSINS of IDEALISM.
Yours in the Successful Revitalization, Rejuvenation, and Reinvention of Phoenixville, (against all odds)
Chris DeVol
East Vincent Township
chrisdevol@gmail.com
6102471930
Chris
11:16 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
@Greg - Very well said
@Laura - Apples, oranges and pears. Go to Reading's park and look around. Where can you walk pre/post game? Nowhere. You cannot take one isolated example and use it as fact for all scenarios. They are all different as are all municipalities and their respective needs. Check out the Port St. Lucie Mets or the Florence Freedom. How about some of the towns in Florida? I'm not saying it WILL work...I'm saying anyone that says it WILL or WILL NOT at this point should either go into business as a mind reader or wait until they have the opportunity to see the studies that are in the works.
Laura
1:19 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
And yet...
That wasn't my main point. Thanks for assuming my ignorance on the whole things aren't the same everywhere philosophy. Although is your argument really that now there will be more drunken idiots roaming the streets? Because there are bars to go to? You might want to think that one through. I'm not saying that WILL or happen or WILL NOT happen, but at this point, well it already is.
Lisa Longo
11:55 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
Since we have one road in and out, and that is through Valley Forge, are traffic studies being ordered? Where is the exact site? And as part of the economic impact, we need more details on who is paying for this, on top of the $8M new Borough Hall. If "we the people" are paying for it, "we the people" need to be involved with every decision, from placement to materials. We need to insist that this is built in a sustainable manner. AND we need to ensure that ALL profit is returned to the people who fund it, that would be us, the taxpayer. If private profit is the end goal, let them privately fund it.
K.B. Matticus
12:10 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Hey, Barry -
I asked for facts and numbers, and you can only respond with an ad hominem attack? I don't know you personally, but you strike me as a bit of a bully, frustrated when someone pushes back and refuses to let you run them over. Do you even live in Phoenixville?
By the way, feel free to use "ad hominem" in your next eloquent response.
Bob Tigro
12:36 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
@Chris - I agree with having been to Reading, Wilmington and Lighthouse minor league parks, there is nothing to walk to after the game. Most people will go to dinner prior to or after the game, they will not shop (that is a pipedream). I am on the fence about having a ball team here in Phoenixville. I would want the stadium and parking (I am sure that this is the ultimate goal) to be financed only based on the projected revenue of the project itself, not taxpayer financed. If it is a viable project, finding money should not be an issue. In as much as Barry is concerned, he is what he is. His employers know that now and why they keep him involved or continue to make him the face of projects while being so abrasive, one would believe this not to be smart business. The employer needs to reinsert the filter.
Chris DeVol
12:46 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Great to see you still involved and caring about Phoenixville Bob. Good Comments. The only way a Project of this magnitude can come together, is by building a HUGE COALITION, of good People all working together in a Postive Proactive way to make it happen.
Hopefully the Leaders of Phoenixville can make it happen.
Chris DeVol
East Vincent Township
Chris DeVol
12:41 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Many Bravo's and Congratulations to the Group of good well meaning citizens that are trying to bring a Baseball Team to Phoenixville, and Revitalize the Town, and the 120 Acres of VACANT land sitting in the center of the Two Wealthiest Counties in Pennsylvania, along the banks of the Exceptional Value French Creek and Schuylkill River.
Time will tell, (and yes, it will take MONEY, COURAGE, VISION and REAL LEADERSHIP for this to happen) as to what will happen.
Yours in the Successful Revitalization, Rejuventation, and Reinvention of Phoenixville, (against all odds)
Chris DeVol
East Vincent Township
chrisdevol@gmail.com
610-247-1930
Chris DeVol
12:44 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
for an example of what a SMALL COMMUNITY (in the middle of NO WHERE) of 22,000 people can do, when GOOD people come together, take a look at this.
http://www.christiansburg.org/index.aspx?NID=413
Chris DeVol
East Vincent Township
ed r.
1:27 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
I think anybody who tells the "complainers" to "go do it yourself" is doing nothing but trading in logical fallacies.
Any significant community movement requires help, direction, and financial assistance of the influential developers and leaders of a community.
When those same leaders and developers turn their backs to those who wish to do something positive, and only proceed with their own agendas, they do nothing but enforce the opinion that it is "us vs. them".
Furthermore, when those same leaders and developers rally around a spokesperson who essentially goes around telling people to go f' themselves, it's my way or the highway, then progress will come to a halt
Unless of course it's progress only dictated by and chosen by those few influential developers and leaders.
See the logical conundrum?
Barry Cassidy
3:37 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
you are an out and out fool.
ed r.
3:39 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Unless you can actually engage in a logical debate without resorting to ad hominem attacks, you do nothing but prove my point. You sir, are the fool and you are 'showing your arse' as they may say.
Chris DeVol
2:03 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Ed, I encourage you to run for Borough Council, write Letters to the Editor, and hold your Elected Leaders Accountable for their Actions and Inactions. Will you???
Yours in the Successful Revitalization, Rejuvenation, and Reinvention of Phoenixville, (against all odds),
Chris DeVol
East Vincent Township
chrisdevol@gmail.com
6102471930
Greg Hytha
2:15 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Suffice to say we can improve in our skills of community communication. I appreciate and respect all the contribution and ideas here on Patch. Hopefully we can work to exchange words to each other the same way as we would face to face. Especially when we confer on things that obviously mean much to so many...
Chris DeVol
2:38 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Greg,
EVERYTHING starts with an Idea. Take a look at what this little community of 22,000 people pulled off, and the ENTIRE REGION of SE PA, Delaware, NJ and NY with millions of people, and Gazillions of Dollars have NOT been able to do. Why is that?????
http://www.christiansburg.org/index.aspx?NID=413
Never give up on a DREAM, for it just might come true.
Yours in the Successful Revitalization, Rejuvenation, and Reinvention of Phoenixville,
Chris DeVol
East Vincent Township
chrisdevol@gmail.com
6102471930..
Greg Hytha
2:44 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Very impressive!
I, along with many want to be part of our own inspiring success story.
Thanks, Chris.... All the best!
Barry Cassidy
3:40 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
with that, i leave this conversation. but remember all you upwardly bound strokers...big meeting in my room at 7 pm monday.
Chris DeVol
3:45 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Great to hear you have your OWN Room in Phoenixville Barry!! Best wishes, with your new project!!
Chris DeVol
East Vincent Township
PRIOR Member of the Phoenixville MSCDC, until I resigned
Chris DeVol
3:43 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Greg,
Realize, Christiansburg, VA
1) only has 22,000 Residents
2) Is in the Middle of NO WHERE
3) Facility has an operating budget of 1.8 Million Dollars.
4) Approximately 1 Million of that Budget, is supported by Local Tax Dollars
5) Swimming and Diving are LIFE LONG Sports, that can be done by ALL AGES
6) If you don't know how to SWIM,,you will Drown and DIE
7) No Federal or State Money went into the facility
8) The Township Manager behind the facility, put together a community Survey of what the Town wanted, and the 10th Item on the List, was an Aquatics Center
9) When he completed #10 on the List, he left Christiansburg, VA, for another town.
etc etc.
So tell me,,,,why can't Phoenixville get anything done, on 100 plus Acres in the Center of the two Richest Counties of PA, on the Banks of the French Creek and Schuylkill River, with access to MILLIONS of people, and Route 433, Route 202 and PA TP, and Airports, and Trains, etc. etc??
Help me understand Greg.
When are ya gonna run for Phoenixville BC again, and LEAD Phoenixville out of the wilderness???
Keep the Faith!
Yours in the Successful Revitalization, Rejuvenation, and Reinvention of Phoenixville,
Chris DeVol
East Vincent Township
Barry Cassidy
3:47 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
tell you what bud...why don't you jump on your tricycle and peddle on down and find out.
Chris DeVol
3:52 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Barry, I just might do that, and I applaud you for what you are doing. How about getting things going with a TRAIL from the Population Center of Phoenixville, and Employment Center of Great Valley. Your Green Line AINT gonna happen, and if it does,,,there's nothing wrong with having a walking and biking trail in the meantime. You can make it happen Barry, YES YOU CAN!! Words without ACTION are the ASSASSINS of IDEALISM!
Yours in the Successful Revitaliation, Rejuvenation, and Reinvention of Phoenixville,
Chris DeVol
ed r.
3:58 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
There's no money in trail buildin', Chris. Bar-Bar is only interested in projects that line his pockets. Hey Bar-Bar, how about you prove me wrong, if you get a trail built between here and great valley, I will never ever say another bad ( but true ) thing about you, and the people get a trail. It's a win-win.
Do it Barry. Do it to shut down me and everybody else in this town who thinks that you don't do anything in this town that doesn't have a profit motive for you. Be the great leader we so apparently need.
Barry Cassidy
4:05 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
ohhh ike...i was waiting for you to come back. come on give me some of the "hip hop hebrew ebonics" (definition: an in-tune older jewish woman giving us afro-american slang...with a touch poetry in a hip hop venacular) you so eloquently spew on this rag.
I said i was done...had to come back for one more time in honor of you. hey did you here they are calling for more beaver dams...no kidding... you love the beavers.
Chris DeVol
4:14 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Barry, does that mean you won't be applying for the JOB of Borough Manager, Head of the Phoenixville MSCDC, etc etc???
Best Wishes in your future pursuits, and for shaking things up in Phoenixville. Time will tell as to what you Legacy will be. At a minimum Phoenixville will always have Barry Cassidy BLUE Street Lights!!
Yours in the Successful Revitalization, Rejuvenation, and Reinvention of Phoenixville,
Chris DeVol
East Vincent Township
Prior Member of the Phoenixville MSCDC (Until I resigned)
chrisdevol@gmail.com
6102471930
Chris
7:41 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
I find it hard to believe this is not an imposter. Would someone who is actually quoted in an article as a "spokesperson" really represent the group in this manner? It has to be a joke right? This is not sarcasm, I am really asking (as I did in an earlier post)...Barry, are you REALLY a spokesperson for this organization trying to bring a ballpark to the town?
Chris DeVol
4:07 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Ed, for all in the KNOW,,,the reality of the Green Line, was that it was Barry Cassidy's Life Long Employment Contract. Sadly for all, the money is dried up. I'm AMAZED that Barry is doing this Stadium Project Pro Bono, but I APPLAUD him for doing what he can, to make it happen.
Everything starts with an IDEA, and seeing Barry do what he does on a PRO BONO basis, is definately better, than what he has done on during his career on the Public Dole.
Yours in the Successful Revitalization, Rejuvenation, and Reinvention of Phoenixville,
Chris Devol
East Vincent Township
PRIOR Member of the Phoenixville MSCDC (until I resigned)
chrisdevol@gmail.com
6102471930
ed r.
4:15 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Pro Bono? Hardly. Who do you think gets to collect those 12.5% "administrative fees" associate with whatever grants come our way?
Bob Tigro
4:50 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Why do I feel like I am back on Council?
Tom Sunnergren
6:53 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Some informed guessing about what the economic consequences of a ballpark would be: http://phoenixville.patch.com/articles/economists-economic-boost-from-ballparks-positive-but-modest
K.B. Matticus
7:08 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Tom,
Your comment belies the ignorance most individuals bring to this issue - "informed guessing." I'm not interested in having my hard-earned income confiscated based upon a guess and a pipedream.
The last two paragraphs of the article you cite:
"The notoriously optimistic growth projections of planners, he said, "assume people are spending money they wouldn't otherwise be spending" on other forms of entertainment in the city. "What the fans are [actually] doing," he said, "is relocating money from other entertainment" to the team.
In other words, money will likely be made. But most of it by the team."
The very modest increase in personal income (for whom? I doubt for the families in the neighborhood) come with parking, traffic, trash, and crime consequences. Cost far outweighs benefit.
Again I say: If this is such a great idea, let those who supposedly stand to benefit - the shopowners, landlords, and businesspeople - put together private financing, and then let them come to those of us who actually live here in Phoenixville and ask our permission to alter the character of the borough and our quality of life.
PVilleRes
7:22 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Why must we all argue like children? That is not going to get anything done. I do understand the concerns of the naysayers, and they are legitimate concerns, however I think that the pros outweigh the cons on this one. I'd love to see it happen. All i need to see is a financial plan before I can give it my full support.
Ike
7:31 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Barry , you still taking money for nothing? .Cant say what i really want to . But ill be takin to yall.
.
8:29 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Maybe people can take the train to get to this new baseball stadium.....oh yeah the train was a pipe dream that never happened. OK, there should be plenty of parking in the new multi story garage....oh yeah that pipe dream didn't happen either.
There is a reason Cassidy was FIRED from the last several jobs he has had....silly rabbits, tricks are for kids. Stop drinking the Kool Aid and get back to reality. There is still a lot of REAL work that needs to be done in town without wasting more time and money on pipe dreams
A Taxpayer
7:05 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
4000 fans? Need parking for 1500 to 2000 cars. Perhaps that parking lot could be available for free parking when there's no games? Wonder how long it will take to get through Phoenixville when there IS a game. Baseball in Phoenixville? Sure, it will probably happen the day after we get a Jewish Pope.
Frank Alvarez
7:11 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Not being from the area, you all may want to do more research and visit areas that have had similiar economic challenges. Places like Brockton, MA home of the Brockton Rox. Pawtucket, RI home of the Pawtucket Red Sox. Durham, NC home of the Durham Bulls. You obviously care enough for your community which is a great start. Get more active now with the baseball committe now to ensure the future success of your community and that the needs of your community are fully addressed and become major components of this plan. Residents living outside your community like myself support and applaud your community involvement. Change is good so long as the community stays vigilant before, during and long after your baseball stadium is built. Good luck and know Chesco residents outside Phoenixville are standing by for mobilization.
Chris
8:04 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
KB, at the end of the day, isn't that exactly what you're doing to? You call Tom's comments "ignoarant" for his informed guessing, yet you state that you'll have to pay, there will be trash, no positive economic impact, etc. How is this not your version of "informed guessing". What I've tried to say, and what Frank A has so eloquently stated, is that we should all do more homework, wait for the study and only then make an informed decision. To come down factually on one side of the issue, either way, is nonsense at this point.
K.B. Matticus
8:11 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Once more, I'll say: If it's such a good idea...
Ike
8:19 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Barry Cassidy SAY
ohhh ike...i was waiting for you to come back. come on give me some of the "hip hop hebrew ebonics" (definition: an in-tune older jewish woman giving us afro-american slang...with a touch poetry in a hip hop venacular) you so eloquently spew on this rag.
I said i was done...had to come back for one more time in honor of you. hey did you here they are calling for more beaver dams...no kidding... you love the beavers
Now what the heck does this mean????? Yall should grow up .i think this is why ya allays getting fired
And this one shows what i mean by ya should grow up,,,, my room in mollys. meeting is being held under the perpetual light that shines on my photo.( may perpetual light shine upon me
Now i kno why i doont go in to Molly, I couldnt eat looking at a wesel, PLUS I WOULD GET ARRESTED IF I STARTED DRINKING , throw that pic in the trash.
Should of got ya before they got rid of the old benches.................
Your not even funny no mo , i used to laugh at the crap that came out of you , now it comes out the other end.
Chris
9:06 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
KB, to which I will reply..."show me the piece of paper that today tells you that you'll have to pay one dime". Nobody knows anything. To rant about a tax burden that may or may not impact you due to a ballpark that may or may not ever exist at this point in time seems premature.
Tony Riley-Hill
9:18 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Oh my god-Ike could you please shut up! The word idiot can't even describe how unintelligent you are. Every time you post something, someone is laughing behind your back. Instead of throwing Barry's photo in the trash, why don't you climb in there yourself and spare us your insane, ALL CAPS trash!
Ike
11:25 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Thank you there, son.FORGOT ALL BOUT YA TOO.
Ike
1:26 pm on Friday, July 27, 2012
Antoney , i just realized that you called me an idiot. Now that not too nice , manners , my son ,just because you dont agree with what others have to say dont mean you have to go back to childhood days and GET WIT the names calling .But i understand , if it makes you feel better than have a fit.....You have alot to learn about life.. But do me a favor, dont read my posts , Cause it sems all it does is get your draws in a bunch. You have been in my town , what 3 years , so take it easy, SWEEP THE SIDEWALKS AND KEEP IT REAL....
..BUT KIDDO , it looks like your one of the only ones,laughing, looking at my back.
THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME I
Ike
1:29 pm on Friday, July 27, 2012
THE LAST TIME I TRY TO TEACH YOU ABOUT LIFE ...... I WILL NOT BE acknowledging you anymore.SO YOU KNOW YOUR NOT GOING TO LIKE WHAT I HAVE TO SAY , SO DONT READ IT .....
MOST IN HERE KNOW ALOT MORE ABOUT THIS TOWN THAN YOU WILL EVER , and that includes me. SO have a nice day.
Michael Hill
3:16 pm on Friday, July 27, 2012
Ike if you are so important and know so much why don’t you use your real name. Some of have gone out acquired an education and are trying to make Phoenixville a better place. You don’t have one constructive thought to add to the town. Your only claim to Phoenixville is you have lived here longer. Some of us have done more in our short time than you will ever achieve.
claudia
9:23 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Do you think it might help in efforts for getting rail service back to Phoenixville? We would definately need it as access since getting here is tough already, especially for folks coming in from Philadelphia and east.
Jennifer Daywalt
10:14 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Perhaps the best way to deal with this situation is for everyone who has concerns and all that are for this plan to get together and discuss them like ADULTS. The name calling and insults simply take away from your credibility. Much more can be accomplished when armed with facts, true concerns, plans and the ability to stop and listen to find solutions for those concerns.
A few months ago I wrote a blog on the growing pains Phoenixville will experience. Whether for or against the Baseball Park, you will get further in discussions with intelligent conversation, not mud slinging. You don't have to agree with every opinion but at the very least we should respect each other as we all have the right to have an opinion. It doesn't make your opinion any more right just because you disagree with another. It is simply another point of view and a different way of looking at a situation.
There are many good mature arguments for and against the Ballpark. There are many valid concerns that are being brought up in between the battle to throw the most insults. Perhaps everyone should go to the meeting and communicate your feelings regarding the situation. Perhaps you will find that there are solutions to the problems you foresee.
Chris
11:45 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
So well said!
Chris DeVol
10:39 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
AMEN Jennifer!
Sadly, Phoenixvillians seem to be their own worst enemy.(Look where the real movers and shakers, that are trying to revitalize Phoenixville, actually LIVE)
At the end of the day, 120 acres of Vacant Land exist in the center of Phoenixville, on the banks of the Exceptional Value French Creek and Schuylkill River in the center of the two richest counties in PA.
Yours in the Successful Revitalization, Rejuvenation, and Reinvention of Phoenixville,
Chris DeVol
East Vincent Township
Prior Member of the Phoenixville MSCDC (until I resigned)
Lisa Longo
3:00 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
I hope this motivates more Phoenixville citizens to come to Borough Council, and to consider running, we need more debate, civil debate, adult conversation about issues, not name calling. I don't know enough to have an opinion on whether this would actually be good for the Borough or not, I do have an opinion on community development and whether Barry has a track record of doing what is best for the community of Phoenixville or for Barry.
We do all need to attend the meetings, I know I missed the last council meeting due to being out of town. We need to form a real community development council/corporation. One with stakeholders from all areas of our community. I had met with members of the old CDC Board and Barry, and suggested this and asked to be part of the Board, I was told I had to "earn it". Which was odd since I was offering to volunteer my time for a community organization.
I would like an accounting of how the $12,000 grant from the Phoenixville Health Foundation was spent and how exactly a baseball team would improve our community health? That too seems odd.
And again, I would like to see detailed plans, and insist this be done by referendum, not Council, vote. We all need to have a say in how this is done. I say let the Borough own the stadium and each resident be a shareholder, that way we reap the profit, after all, Barry wants us to pay for, we should own it.
.
2:08 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Lisa, the bigger question is what in the world does a minor league baseball stadium have to do with the mission of the Phoenixville Community Health Foundation? With all of the non-profits doing great work in Phoenixville (PACS, Good Sam Shelter, The Clinic, etc...) who could use additional funds to help the most vulnerable people in our community, why are they spending 12K to "study assessing the feasibility of bringing a ballpark to the former steel mill site"? Basically that money will go right into Barry Cassidy's pocket and pay for a drinks and food for their "meetings".
Tony Riley-Hill
3:35 pm on Friday, July 27, 2012
Ike-you are so right, I am tired of confirming how much of an idiot you are, you do that everytime you post something. It's interesting that you know how long I have lived in the area, so you obviously know who I am. Which means that you know that I invest a lot into this town, and most likely, you don't. My name is not Antoney, I am not your son-that will be an insult to my real father and I am a 47 year old man with an education under his belt. My issue with you is the fact that you have a lot to say, but you are a big nothing. Anyone that knows me, knows that I don't need to hide behind a computer-whatever I have to say, I am man enough to say it to your face. I know who you refer to when you make your immature "sweeper" comments. You don't want me to make comments, don't encourage me to reply-end of story. I am done with you-you are not worth the stroke of a keyboard. oh, TRY NOT USING THE CAPS SO MUCH-IT DRAWS ATTENTION TO YOUR STUPID COMMENTS.
Tony Riley-Hill
6:32 pm on Friday, July 27, 2012
That hooked on phonics program is definitely not working...
Ike
7:06 pm on Friday, July 27, 2012
A baseball team would be great,,PHILLIES FARM TEAM , NOW , THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GET CASSIDEE OUT OF THE LOOP , AND GET SOMEONE WHO , WELL SAY IT AS YOU LIKE , BUT LIKE A PRO.
I WOULD VOTE FOR A TEAM , BUT I CANT SEE IT HAPPENING , HOPE IAM WROUNG , HAS IAM A VERY BIG SPORTS FAN.....
and on an other note , did any ever have a bird in the moring that just keeps on chripping , so much that you stop hearing it , than one morning it becomes so much a pain , that you have to throw a rock at it to get it to flyaway,,,WELL ITS LIKE THAT WITH SOME PEEPS, THE insecure ONES THAT HAVE TO BE THE BIGSHOT......iT MIGHT BE OK , BUT IT SURE AINT ALLRIGHT. its hot down there.. LETS GO PHILLIES! AND LET GET THIS FARM TEAM!!!!!!!
Reginald Von Snoden
10:49 pm on Friday, July 27, 2012
It would seem proper to get rid of Cassidy on this project. A true professional like Howard Bedell is located in Pottstown. He has experience in doing these kind of projects. He guided the West Chester effort and used the model where the Borough would own the stadium. This method of ownership that seems to make sense to Ms Longo. I am sure that it would be much better if we got rid of Cassidy, rallied around Ms. Longo's ideas and hired Howie Bedell as a consultant.
I feel that is an excellent formula for success. You make a lot of sense Ike, what Cassidy is not telling us defines this argument. If the Phillies are involved we should be using Howard Bedell as he, at one time, was Dallas Green's bunk buddy on the road. His fee to West Chester according to the feasibility study was only $700,000 compared to what is rumored to be a 1.67 million dollar payment to Cassidy for his financial underwriting services.
Ron Knabb, the architect, should also be replaced from someone outside the area with a resume that includes building stadiums. I know he designed the Vet but he was NOT involved it Citizen Park and that is a better park.
Now that this project seems like it will happen i believe a change in management is necessary.
Chris DeVol
11:07 pm on Friday, July 27, 2012
Great to see so many positive caring people, willing to invest and care about Phoenixville.
If Barry Cassidy is the true leader behind this effort I highly encourage you to google and research his track record and talk with the Board Members that paid his salary over the last 40 years.
If after your research, you think Barry is the man and can actually deliver the goods (don't pay him till he delivers) than go for it.
Barrys Track record or lack therof, speaks for itself.
Just talk to real people on the street as to who Barry Cassidy is. In fact, I believe he still has a blog, as to what he eats every day. Ya gotta read it!!
Chris DeVol
East Vincent Township
Past Member of the Board of the Main Street Community Development Corporation(that had money till Barry spent it all on himself)
Chrisdevol@gmail.com
6102471930
Chris
11:37 pm on Friday, July 27, 2012
I believe his comments here speak volumes. Unprofessional juvenile dreck.
Ike
6:37 am on Saturday, July 28, 2012
I concur that boy has got to just leave this project alone, who would be the best at helping get this done?
..........And i cant belive that i got this email,, this aint even funny ....
Hi Ike,
Michael Hill also commented on Phoenixville Could Have Baseball Team by 2016.
"Ike your a coward."
To respond view the comment on Patch.
I got another one a couple of months ago from his brother , calling me something.What is it with yall.
Acting like brats , i might be old , but belive me , i aint no coward
GROW UP....Is this why yall went out and got an education ? So yall can call me names , THAN DELETE IT REAL QUICK SO LIKE ILL BE ONE OF THE ONLY PEEPS TO BE ABLE TO READ IT,
I FEEL BAD WIT YOU TWO BROTHERS, MUST OF BEEN PICK ON WHEN YALL WERE KIDS, TO BE ACTING LIKE THIS.. LIKE I SAID , I MIGHT BE AN OLDMAN NOW ,, BUT I AINT NO COWARD.
I really feel sorry for ya.