Inquirer: Ballpark Still a Possibility for Phoenixville
The borough's growing fast. What's next for its Steel Co. Site?
Phoenixville’s problems are those of abundance. They are problems nonetheless though.
With the borough growing rapidly—despite a recession, the dollar amount of its property assessments increased more than 20 percent between 2002 and 2010—plans for the unused 120-acre tract of land that the Phoenixville Steel Company once sat on have become a hot topic of discussion around town.
And while ground is expected to be broken on a 350-unit rental apartment development this spring, there is still the matter of what to do with the other 100 vacant acres that make up the property.
According to a July 17 story in the Philadelphia Inquirer, the borough council has approved the DeMutis Group’s plans for a seven-acre apartment, retail, and corporate development—though DeMutis has not yet secured financing for the plan—and still hasn’t ruled out luring a minor league baseball team to play in the space.
Councilman Dave Gautreau told the Inquirer that Phoenixville has been in talks with a team. Though he didn’t identify which, the Inquirer suggested that a deal would be contingent on the borough’s ability to raise funds to build a new ballpark on the site.
Read the full story here.
J
9:12 am on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
What ever happened to the plans for Melicore Park off Mowere Road?
Karen
10:07 am on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Good question! The parcel off Mowere Road should be developed as it is not producing revenue for the borough. Quite a folly if nothing is done to it.
Orignially, I was approached during the early 1990's by a semi-pro league with a request to identify an area on which a stadium could be built in Phoenixville. 100- acres owned by Pennsylvania and the Bureau of Mine Reclaimation off Rt.113 (now the home of the bird santuary) was the first potential site. Discussions and visits from state department representatives resulted in the clean up of the desilting basin and eventually the building of the santuary and trails preserving the area for future generations.
The next site identified for a stadium was the old midget car racetrack off Mason Street next to deSanno Field. I still have the plans Ed Bursich, engineer, drafted pro-bono for the site. After much work, the racetrack remained until it was eventually sold for the much-needed facility now on site.
Attempts were also made to find a spot on the Phoenix Steel site while in ownership by the last owners and Delta Group but those attempts were not fruitful.
A stadium in the former iron company property is a distinct possibility, but the still undeveloped Melchiorre parcel has merits which would benefit the taxpayers of Phoenixville.
Borough Council would be wise to examine any and all alternative sites before a decision is made.
Barry Cassidy
3:18 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
karen. please forward all of these studies to Dave so he can have access to all that information. it may make a difference.
Dave Gautreau
12:58 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Just one clarification, I serve on the baseball committee as community member, not a councilman representative. The borough has no affiliation with this committee or our explored ideas.
PS - Ed, keep up the positive posts. You are the cheerleader this town needs.
Realist
2:32 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Ed if you have such strong opinions and objectives why don’t you put in your name for the open Borough Council seat.
Oh I forgot you’re a lot better at quitting things than you are sticking to them. It’s a lot easier to sit at your computer than trying to make a change. Changes take time and you have to pursue them not give up when the fight gets rough.
Also I thought you were all about the green space, isn’t the baseball field going to take up some of that precious space. Guess its okay when it’s for something you want.
ed r.
2:35 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Whatever you say "Realist'. I'm not going to spar with somebody who has to hide behind a screen name spewing unsubstantiated b.s.
Jeremy Dalton
3:04 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
+1 Dave Gautreau!
Barry Cassidy
3:17 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
teams...dave...teams...more than one team...more than one league. i believe there is no one real team that they have settled on...keep that S on the end
Dave Gautreau
2:22 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
That would be for the east ward folks to decide. You should run (seriously). If you are passionate about our town you should step forward and help make decisions.
Jeremy Dalton
3:03 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
You can run against me next Season Ed! It will be LEGENDARY!
Barry Cassidy
3:20 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
what a tool this guy is.
Jeremy Dalton
3:56 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
your right barry ed is a tool. Can't believe they took down my response to him lol.
Tom Sunnergren
3:37 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Hey guys. Had to delete some posts owing to the salty language. Insults are fine, but let's sling them euphemistically.
Jeremy Dalton
3:46 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Im going to have to petition to have my @ Ed Roper post reinstated please. It was salient and pertinent to this conversation.
Barry Cassidy
4:59 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
glad calling this guy a tool fits in to the censorship schedule...and i know you need one. i see how he inserts symbols to circumvent the vulgarity guideline. how you know it is him writing under an alias.
so let me explain why this individual is a tool. other than the way he looks (although the visual validates the soon to be reasoning of this post)...
he posts about the train and the stadium. fact is we got the appraisal back from Norfolk Southern, our consultants reviewing parcel info, 2 members of the committee met with the railroad and discussed an option and those conversations are making their way to agreement...and the new transportation bill killed the requirement for an alternative analysis. once we get site control we go to engineering....
baseball has been ongoing, with efforts of a community based coalition working quietly to get this right.
so this joker writes something sarcastic concerning both that were totally uniformed and showed that he had no understanding, and is so negative no one seemed to care if he knew or not...
as for the continued personal attacks on me. i think it goes with the territory when you are an agent of change and you go to communities and make them better. there are people who always will be against...most times because they are uniformed but in this case the overriding factor is the guy is a tool. as in "hold on too it tight...not much there..."
ed r.
5:12 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
No Barry, I've never hidden behind an alias. Unlike you, who still has yet to present your "friend" ... "Mr Johnson".
Barry, you're kind of a sociopath. And lots of people know it. Those who defend you, are the ones who have been won over by your own generated hype. It's a shame, you could actually do much more for those you work for if you weren't such an off putting character. I didn't have to become a vocal critic of you, you decided to push me, and others, in that direction. In fact, I still could be one of your agents of change, but you have one fundamental flaw. You refuse to ever admit when you're wrong, and you never apologize. Hell, I'd wipe the slate clean and get on board with anything positive you're doing in this town if you ever were to try to bury the hatchet. But you can't. It's just so ingrained as part of your fundamental character.
You know you were being a jerk back then. I actually believed your hype before I peeled back the curtain and saw all the evil crap you were doing behind the scenes. I hope before you pass from this earth you find some peace and change for the better.
And I honestly mean that. If you ever wanted to sit down, have a drink, explain to one another why we think the other is an a-hole, and then figure out how we can iron things out and get to work for Phoenixville, I would meet you at Molly's any day. Think about it. Or don't. I'll be the grown up here and say the offer is on the table.
Jeremy Dalton
6:48 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
LOL Barry owned the Shiznit out of Ed.. GG Ed. Good Game, now head back to the dugout.
Jeremy Dalton
3:42 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Booooooooooooooooooooooo Tom. =)
Tom Sunnergren
3:50 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Ha. Well, you can petition away, but the reviewing body is the same one that issued the initial punishment; i.e., me. It's kind of like the Saints challenging their suspensions from Goodell.
Jeremy Dalton
3:52 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Atleast lemme take the "quoted swear word" out so I can repost it!
Tom Sunnergren
3:54 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
If the profanity is removed, you can repost
Jeremy Dalton
4:10 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Can't repost it without you sending it to me, it wasn't saved.
Jeremy Dalton
4:09 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Insulting Dave G, is a terrible move dude, He's done alot, so on your point that you support the positive people in the community, you have already done a great job shooting yourself in the foot. And as for your Mel Gibson esq rant about evil doers and corruption within the institution, get involved or get out of the way. Bottom line.
ed r.
4:16 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Jeremy, debating you is pointless. You choose to avoid any of the points I made, refuse to see that I actually, hey imagine this, actually give a crap about this town and am not out to rape it like others are, and refuse to see that I and so many others are utterly disillusioned by the leadership, both private and public, and thus have been hesitant to get on board with their initiatives. I could do a lot of good for this town Jeremy, but because I stood up against a guy who you think is a saint but really isn't, I'm labeled a bad guy. But I really don't care. I do what I can to foster community here, it just doesn't make the headlines. And I know who the good ones are, as I've met them. And They will continue to have my back, as I will have theirs.
Jeremy Dalton
4:18 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Ed Roper Wrote : "Annnnnd, I'm sure the fear and intimidation routines your idol used in the past here were so he could help feed orphans too, right?" What idol? Oh You mean Barry Cassidy? The guy who won the Governor's award, improved our streets, and got a bunch of grants for home improvements for the residents in our township, and Numerous other great things for the town??? When is the last time you've won the Governor's award Ed? ok then. You My friend are a true humanitarian. All of your work for the township, and community of Phoenixville should be highly commended, and I PRAY, HOPEFULLY, if the stars align, be nominated for sainthood any day now...We can put the Ed Roper monument right in the middle of bridge st for everyone to admire. Get real, get off your soap box, and stop the massive delusions that your some how hooked into the heart beat of a community, and should there fore be its spokes person. You're not, you know little to Nothing about myself, my company or my intentions with the profits from it, and should not under any circumstances put your hands on a keyboard to type out any creatively worded overly asinine commentary about your intuition about anyone. Good Day sir.
ed r.
4:34 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
You've done nothing but help prove my point. Question those in power and their little buddies will come a trollin'. No wonder so many get disillusioned in this town.
But it really is a shame that you and those before you don't realize you can win more flies with honey. Your mentors tactics are well documented. But that's beating a dead horse. I really am willing to lend a hand to any positive force in this community. Even though you're kind of a jerk, I'll look past that if it's a good cause. feel free to call on me. You know how to reach me.
Jeremy Dalton
4:21 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Last very amazing point. During Cassidy's tenure in Phoenixville the borough has grown in assessed value by approximately 140 million dollars at a rate of 20.25%. Phoenixville Borough has been the fasting growing community and now ranks number one in assessed value of all boroughs in Chester County. You REALLY should know your sh*t before you let your hands make a fool of yourself.
Jeremy Dalton
5:11 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
I appreciate the extension of hand Ed, but much like Town Watch, PADCO and The Green Committee, Let me be the first representative of the BCF and DCT to say "Thanks, but NO Thanks". Have a great day! See you around the forums.
ed r.
5:15 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
And this is what I meant by the rumour mill. I attended a handful of Town Watch meetings, and peaced out when Barry wanted to take over the whole discussion.
I never once met with PADCO or the Green Committee. No idea what orifice you pulled that one out of.
Michael Hill
5:23 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Barry was one of the Founders of the Town Watch so if he wanted to take it over he had every right. Heck if he wanted to take it over now I and most of the members would gladly let him,
Jeremy Dalton
5:55 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Ed, I'll keep the anonymity of my sources thanks, but know this, the truth is out there, SO, Be gone internet troll! You have no power here!! .... You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting.
ed r.
6:04 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Jeremy, you seem to have the logical debate skills of a 6th grader.
I've never attended a single Green Team meeting. The only interactive I've ever had was with a member to discuss the design of the web site I designed and donated to the first Schulkill Shad Fest ( www.srshadfest.org ).
I never once sat in a PAEDCO meeting ( not PADCO, btw. you should learn the acronyms of the organizations you wish to work with ) , nor asked to ever join them. In fact I've been quite critical of them as they are sitting on $800k in assets that can be used to better Phoenixville. Perhaps you are confusing them with PABA, which I was a member of for a year, but decided not to renew as they are more oriented towards brick & mortar businesses.
So I would say your "source", aka whatever BS barry feeds you, are on crack.
ed r.
6:15 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Not to mention, it really speaks to your character, or lack thereof, to be talking gossip behind the back of somebody you met once for 5 minutes, and never had any sort of dealings with. Definitely makes you seem like a fine upstanding person and somebody I want to be holding a leadership role within my community, not to mention how professional you come across as the CEO of a local business.
...If you can't debate without resorting to personal attacks, it's not a debate. It's just sad and petty.
Jeremy Dalton
6:44 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
LOL @ you Ed, Just LOL dude, I'll Leave your personal attacks on myself out of it, Which you have attempted, as well as the personal attacks on my company that you so kindly attempted several times now and leave you with this... Give it a rest Ed, your a joke, end of story. And no one has said a single thing to me that wasn't verifiable truth, I missed an Acronym big deal. Im done with you. I'd say get involved more, but clearly no one wants you to on any level. Phoenixville will continue to make great progress as it has been in the past years, and you'll continue to find a soap box to shout off of. Keep up the great work Phoenixville Baseball Committee, And town council, we appreciate all the hard work and dedication that it takes to perform these roles within our community, something Mr. Roper here would know nothing about.
Tim Andrews
9:56 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
You all really exemplify the meaning of acting like adults.
Reed Reish
1:29 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Personally, I don't care for baseball in Phoenixville and I don't think that it's residents do either (unless you're talking about moving the Phillies here from the city). I believe the borough should be focusing on repairing streets, parking lots and bridges before spending money on things we don't need.
Barry Cassidy
9:25 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
this is not a borough project. this is a committee of business leaders that want to make it happen. i agree that the borough is much better at repairing streets, parking lots and bridges and should only be involved in the approval process.
i noticed on karen's post that she proposed an alternate site that the borough should consider. understand folks...the borough is considering nothing. this is not a borough project, the borough is not involved in the meetings.
but really...if you feel strongly and others feel strongly against it...now is the time to speak up. we only have preliminary good will on the financing, strong land plan, and we are pricing the stadium construction now so we could figure the amortization schedule, with the borough not figuring in the ownership or finance plans.
if this project is so repugnant to the citizens of phoenixville...speak up phoenixvillian and do your best to kill the project now so no one wastes their time. i thought it was a good idea...but hey man...really...to all of you...speak now, tell the committee you are opposed and we are out of step with mainstream thought. The committee is a thoughtful committee and only seeks to do great things for phoenixville.
Laura
10:06 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
And how does one contact one or all of these "business leaders" to complain?
ed r.
10:23 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Laura, you highlight one of the fundamental flaws in how development is being done in Phoenixville. A lot of things being planned for Phoenixville, are all driven by 'business leaders', some of whom aren't even from here, and with little input from the community.
Their defense often is "well, we have meetings...show up and say something", but how often do you see them actively engaging the community for input from community members who are affected by their actions. We had a community forum last year on the steel site development, and it wasn't even organized by the developers, it was organized by private citzens. Wouldn't it have been so much nicer if the developers said "hey, we know the residents have some concers, lets have a town hall meeting and talk about them, meet us here at this time". But nope, we had to be the ones to invite them to the meeting. Thankfully they at least showed up.
This public/private planning gap needs to go away, people need to stop trying to hold all the cards to their chest, we need to stop all the petty b.s. infighting and bickering, and we need to all get engaged and be able to have a voice in how we see the future of Phoenixville.
JW
10:55 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Baseball Commitee website is phoenixvillebaseball.com. All committee members are listed on the home page and there is a contact form if you wish to submit an email.
Laura
1:07 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Thank you. No surprise, it's all of the usual suspects. Not so much "something good for the community" as it is "good for our group's respective bottom lines."
I'm amused/disgusted by the PR stink emanating from that web site.
Bill N.
11:06 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I'll leave the bickering to my wife and I. Although I would love to see something like a ballpark in the borough, the biggest obstacle (besides money) is the issue of getting people to the ballpark. I've been waiting for 30 years for a train route to this area and I doubt it will happen in m,y lifetime. Daily traffic through town is horrendous and unless another road & bridge is built, will only get worse. The only way I could see his work is if the ballpark adopted a similar plan to that of the Philly Union - limit parking to certain ticketholders and make the rest park way off-site and be bussed in. Unfortunately, I haven't been to a Union game in a while so I don't even know if this process is still used. Traffic still stinks after the game is over and that would make for very unhappy citizens if it occurred here.
Jeremy Dalton
11:24 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Huge Flaw in your thinking Ed, Not everyone knows what they want, and the other majority are so conflicted with each other that they never come to a unified resolution. Thusly halting any and all progress that is to be made. Ever looked a business time line algorithm when comparing public involvement on a project and limited public involvement on a project? There is a drastic difference in goal accomplishment. When there are too many proverbial spoons in the pot, the food never gets cooked properly and only tastes good to a few. In the end, even when something is massively successful, someone will always gripe about how you can't taste their seasoning....
Michael Hill
2:19 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Good news we got a grant!
http://phoenixvillebaseball.com/news/feasibility-grant.html
Tom Sunnergren
2:58 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
To Michael's point: http://phoenixville.patch.com/articles/cassidy-phoenixville-could-have-baseball-team-by-2016
Jeremy Dalton
3:02 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
best news of the day!!!