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Kampf Eyes Pension Reform

The state Rep. has authored a pair of bills that aim to reform the Commonwealth's pension programs for its employees and teachers.

With the Commonwealth saddled with $40 billion of pension debt, a group of state legislators met in Harrisburg last week for a joint House committee hearing on the outsized tab.

At the center of the conversation was 157th District representative Warren Kampf, who has authored a pair of bills—one directed at the state workers' pension system; the other at the state’s program for teachers—that aim to draw down Pennsylvania’s obligation to its employees.

Kampf, in the midst of a difficult reelection challenge from Democrat Paul Drucker, sat down with Phoenixville Patch in his Paoli office earlier this month to talk about how the debt grew and what he proposes we do about it.

Kampf’s Plan

His proposal, he said, is for any future hire at the state or local level to go into a defined contribution plan. State police would be exempt from this switch because, according to the Rep., they don’t receive any Social Security benefits.

“The benefit of that is we stop adding people to a system that prior legislators and government have demonstrated they cannot manage effectively,“ he said.

Kampf explained that in the early aughts a generous new set of benefits were added for state and school district employees. The benefits were made retroactive so they applied to all employees in the system, even those just about to retire. The state, he sighed, proceeded to underfund this new promise to workers.

“State spending went up substantially, but dollars that went into the pension system remained flat or even went down, which is irresponsible.”

The result, he said, is an unfunded pension liability of between $35 and $40 billion; which, even if reduced by a third, would match the state’s annual budget of $27 billion.

What About Current Employees?

Kampf acknowledges that there are hurdles to forcing state and public school employees out of their current pensions and into a plan similar to what’s offered in the private sector.

In addition to what he calls the “significant legal obstacles” such a maneuver would face (He did acknowledge some uncertainty in this area, adding “How ironclad are [pension agreements]? You leave that to someone who is an absolute expert on the subject”), he said there are moral considerations as well.

“These promises have been made and people made plans based on that,” he said.

His hope is that the state will be able to get workers to switch, voluntarily, into the Kampf pension plans. The pitch is this: employees who switch will have a broader range of investment opportunities and, counterintuitively, more security. (The system, the argument goes, as underfunded as it is, might be considered unsustainable by budget savvy workers.)

“The state's higher education system has an option whether you go into a defined benefit or a defined contribution,” Kampf said. “In good times, there are people who chose to go into the defined contribution instead of the defined benefit. In down times, there is less of that, but it still happens.”

So, How Much Will it Save?

It’s unclear. Neither of Kampf’s plans have been scored by independent agencies. He said they will though, eventually. 

“I have to leave that to the actuaries,” he said. “There’s an independent office of the state that will do an analysis on mine and other proposals. There are other proposals in the Senate that are similar to this; there’s a hybrid plan in the houseand the governor’s office may come up with its own proposal. There will be plenty of actuarial analysis of this, and I’ll leave it to them to come out with the ultimate resolution.”

Kampf added that he’s certain the plans, if passed, would be both a short- and long-term boon to Commonwealth taxpayers.

Kampf Talks Revenue

Act 13, the law that regulates the drilling of Pennsylvania’s ample natural gas reserves, has drawn criticism from some corners (including the campaign of Kamp’s opponent Paul Drucker) for not sufficiently taxing the energy companies that come to the state to extract. According The New York Times, Pennsylvania’s rate of taxation for natural gas extraction is less than half of what Texas charges. When asked to reconcile his support of a law that left large amounts of revenue on the table with his concerted efforts to address debt, Kampf pointed to the complexities of governance: he might have supported a higher fee on the drillers, he said, but it wasn’t politically possible.

“Down here in the Southeast [of the state] many of us, myself included, could have supported a higher fee or tax, but we’re not the only people in the legislature,” he said, adding that many legislators, and Governor Tom Corbett, were initially opposed to levying any tax against the drillers. (Hence, the labeling of the $500 million annual charge a “fee” rather than a “tax.”)

Kampf added that the $500 million annual impact fee mandated by Act 13 is a significant sum, and has gone on to fund a host of green initiatives that are near and dear to the hearts of many 157th District voters.

“At the end of the day I think it was a very good start,” he said.

The Odds of Passage

Kampf said it’s possible that the legislature could pass a pension reform package as soon as this fall.

“Our local school districts, their line items for pension contributions are doubling and tripling each fiscal year now, and the same thing is happening with the state budget,” Kampf said, underlying the urgency of the problem.

He said it’s this urgency that will, he hopes, bring his Democratic colleagues to the negotiating table to make choices he concedes may be politically unpopular.

“Labor leaders and others, I hope that everyone who sees what’s happening recognizes that we have to make some difficult choices.

"If we don’t make those choices, I don’t event want to think about what the consequences are.”

JK August 23, 2012 at 12:24 PM
Thank you Warren! Finally someone is addressing the problem instead of passing the buck. What isn't mentioned here is how he is NOT accepting a state pension. Here is a man who leads by example.
Rebecca August 23, 2012 at 12:41 PM
An example of political courage. This is a man who deserves to be reelected.
Ken Buckwalter August 23, 2012 at 01:04 PM
Keep up the good work,Warren. Thank you!
Greg Hytha August 23, 2012 at 01:24 PM
Our common wealth needs to be led with care through a very difficult era. I would rather face hard choices now, than be forced to inevitable consequences later. I'm grateful that this article doesn't assume that Mr. Kampf has all the answers, but he at least appears to be honestly informing us of the gravity of the situation, and directing us toward solutions...
Wendy August 23, 2012 at 02:24 PM
I'm just HAPPY that someone has the ability to TALK about real issues rather than playing the blame game.
David Curran August 23, 2012 at 04:36 PM
If Rep. Kampf is so concerned about the budget then why did he vote for the voter suppression laws that have been proven to be both costly and unnecessary. I could never vote for someone who has such a cavalier attitude about depriving legitimate voters of their rights and wasting taxpayers money in the process. In my opinion he is just another mindless party hack like Gerlach.
JK August 23, 2012 at 09:28 PM
David - it is obvious that you would never vote for anyone with a R after their name. You are so enraged that you cannot see reality. Kampf is about facts and numbers. Plain and simple. You are allowing yourself to be manipulated by the political machine. I do agree with you on Gerlach though!
Robin Reichley August 23, 2012 at 09:58 PM
Thank you Mr. Curran for your comments. I am so sick of hearing how another Republican politician wants to tear apart any manner of investment or pensions of the middle class. Be it pension programs (which state and federal employees both have) or social security or medicare or whatever, there continues to be this attack on anything that might help the middle class stay off the welfare roles. A great portion of the population has no idea how to save or invest their money so why do you use that as a solution to the state's treasury problems. The states problems are of their own making and not due to teacher pensions or state employee pensions. And why this continual attack on teachers? If you hate teachers so much, then keep your kids home and teach them yourself. That might be an eye opener to many persons who criticize the profession of teaching and might find out that it is not a piece of cake. Maybe Mr. Kampf does not pay into the pension program, but most of the other polliticians in Harrisburg and in Washington do invest in these pension programs as well as get better health care than anyone else in the world! Also, their salaries are quite large and their pensions are in effect immediately after one term in office. They do real well after one term in office with their pensions and healthcare. Mr. Kampf has a right to his ideas, but lets see another side to the problem and not attack teachers pensions alone!
DJ2 August 24, 2012 at 10:29 AM
I find it amazing that the state and local school boards were incompetent by not paying into the system as they were supposed to, and now are expecting state employees and teachers (who have been meeting their obligations) to suffer because of it. A nice way of solving this problem, and many of the state's budget problems, would be to tax the heck out of the Shale. Forget the idle threats of the companies that do the drilling. The gas is here. A republican who stands up to the governor on this issue will earn my vote.
Robin Reichley August 24, 2012 at 01:37 PM
I just spoke with several friends in upstate Pennsylvania that their school boards had continued to pay into the system and they are not in financial trouble and increasing local taxes. Isn't it amazing that a portion of the state had the intelligence to do that. And I agree with DJ2 regarding taxing the gas drilling companies. They are making millions and trillions on our gas and not cleaning up after themselves. There have been some small villages who have been left with no drinkable water and the gas industry pulled out without helping the people who are left with nothing.
Interested Observer August 24, 2012 at 02:34 PM
Robin - Stop spouting political talking points and look at the facts -- please -- before it is too late. On Marcellus Shale, Kampf got it right: what was passed was all that would pass. It was this or nothing. And remember, Kampf got the drillers to finally pay by supporting a bipartisan compromise, Drucker didn't during his tenure. On pensions, Kampf's plan doesn't touch current pensions, it only offers an incentive to switch. His plan takes a system that is entirely unsustainable (according to experts and politicians on both sides of the aisle) and replaces it with one that is fair to employees and taxpayers (the "Middle Class.") Most importantly - and perhaps you miss this important point -- without a change like this the current system will crash; that will mean a loss of pensions for current and future retirees. Moody's just downgraded Pennsylvania's bond rating because of the amount of debt the state faces - including these pension obligations. I am proud to have a Representative willing to stand up to the special interests and career politicians to fight for what's right.
Ego_Death August 24, 2012 at 02:57 PM
Whoever voted / created the current pension plan should be kicked out of office if they are still there. The current program is not sustainable. At least some politicians realize this and are trying to do something about it, however, it should have never been passed in the first place.
M Brigg August 24, 2012 at 06:41 PM
Robin - the pension plan changes were done in the dark of night with the unions blessing so the public would not know the true cost of the increase. It was bad enough that they raised the multiplier for for the pension calculation but they also made it retroactive for anyone just getting ready to retire - even though all contributions had been based on the lower rate. Can you let us know what county your "freinds" live in - I'd love to check out their budget and see how they are really doing.
Robin Reichley August 25, 2012 at 04:46 AM
It's so good to read that some people in this comment section were actually there in the middle of the night and know all the facts about how the pension plan changes occurred. You seem to feel that only you know all the facts. Well, good for you. I realize you are all knowing about the subject! And why don't you check out the budgets of other school districts before you insult my comments. I do believe this is still a democratic society and I have a right to my comments. Thank you.
Diana Roberts August 25, 2012 at 10:49 PM
If our children are important then the teachers with whom they spend most all day every day should be well compensated and get very good benefits. It's the best way to attract great minds and loving hearts to the profession!
Daniel Pipes August 28, 2012 at 11:53 AM
Not sure why my last post was deleted but there was a time in the 1980'swhrre PASD passed a 65% increase to the union over a five year contract when cronyism was all the rage in this town. That's what prompted the start of PATA. PHX AREA TAXPAYERS ASSOCIATION. Anyone remember them?
M Brigg September 03, 2012 at 08:43 PM
Diane - they are well compensated and do get very good benefits. We are just saying in the current economic environment, we can't keep increasing them at the historic rate. Plenty of people leave their kids in day care all day until they are ready for school - do daycare centers pay $40 to $100k per year , great benefits and summers off? They probably would if they were run by the government, but in the private sector they would not be able to stay in business.

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